Interview Fabien Foret: Rea’s motivation is the fear of no longer winning
Rather than questioning Jonathan Rea again, Site turned to Fabien Foret to find out more about this extraordinary champion. As a "spotter", the French scrutinizes the ruthless JR from all angles on the track. But it is also his coach, his friend, his confidant. Interview.
Friday evening at Magny-Cours. Site has an appointment with Fabien Foret. The man is relaxed despite the stakes: tomorrow, Jonathan Rea has the opportunity to win his fourth title in a row in World Superbike! Our French champion is no stranger to it … Interview.
- MNC Interview :
- WorldSBK France (1) :
Site: Hi Fabien, how are you ?
Fabien Foret: Well listen how are you! A little more busy than usual, obviously because the weekend is a bit special for Johnny. Tomorrow for example, he will be followed all day long to make a video on his daily life. Well, it turns out that tomorrow will be a bit special, but that’s okay, we’ll have to lead it like all the others. We may have something to celebrate tomorrow or Sunday, but it will be the icing on the cake.
MNC: Before we talk about Jonathan Rea, let’s talk about you. You hung up the leather last year. You don’t miss the competition ?
F. F.: You know, I think I have my feet on the ground. I still think I got them. I’m honest with myself to begin with. I know that everything has an end, and I considered that I was at the end of this adventure. For me, this is the right time to stop my career. I don’t regret my decision because it made sense to me. Turning the page is not a problem for me.
MNC: It’s all the easier to do when you have new projects…
F. F.: And then I took care to organize something else. What I dreaded was emptiness, not knowing what to do with my life. So I had this pro project, and then I’m quite busy on a personal level with my little boy who is three and a half years old, and the second one who arrived in December! Physically too, I had to take care of myself, my neck was starting to hurt … Well, I’m not saying that on certain circuits that I particularly like, like Philip Island, I wouldn’t let myself be tempted. But I remember good memories and it doesn’t frustrate me.
MNC: Staying in motorcycle sport was a necessity ?
F. F.: Honestly, no. To tell you, before Johnny asked me to work with him, I told myself that I would completely change environment because what I like about a motorbike is to ride. The rest, at the time, didn’t interest me more than that. But when in 2016, he proposed to me to be his "second eye", I accepted.
MNC: What is your role, your status with JR ?
F. F.: Basically it is to be a "spotter", that is to say to visualize at the edge of the track. But it goes further than that now, in the sense that the psychological also comes into play: I know very well what he wants to hear, what he does not want to hear, what I should send him as a message or not. . It’s just technique…
MNC: You have other activities ?
F. F.: Along with Johnny, I am also two young people who ride in Supersport 300 on Kawasaki: Perez who is 3rd in the championship and Rovelli who is less mature. But it takes me a lot less time than it did for Johnny. Otherwise to laugh, keep busy and make ends meet, I do some coaching for individuals in structures of people I know well. I’m going to do it on a Tuesday in Ledenon precisely, but it’s because I won’t be far at that time.
MNC: You were crowned Supersport World Champion in 2002. What did that bring you? ?
F. F.: At the time, a lot of satisfaction, obviously. Today, this title still serves me because it gives me a certain weight, a certain influence, respect, which allow me to continue to evolve in this environment. I only won one title in 600, I also won races for several years. I won in Endurance too, but it is a very Franco-French discipline. It’s pretty funny because in France, when people ask me what I did, the reactions are like: "ah yeah Supersport world champion, it’s not bad … And you won the Bol and the 24 Hours of Le Mans, wow great! " Abroad it’s completely the opposite.
MNC: How all these years of pilots serve you for your current job ?
F. F.: I was able to see that talent was not the only key to success. I think I had a minimum of talent to succeed in winning a world championship, it takes some, but I think that determination, hard work, questioning, professionalism and many other factors also make it possible to the difference. Clearly today, pure talent is no longer enough.
MNC: This is what you try to pass on to your youngsters of the WSSP300 ?
F. F.: Exactly. I have always been hardworking and square. But I also made mistakes, and I try to save them time by avoiding the same mistakes. It’s over the years that you realize the bad choices, and the good ones too.
MNC: You got your title with the Ten Kate team … is it a good school? This is the one that JR followed for 7 years.
F. F.: Yes, Johnny, Charpentier … I was the first to win with them, with Pirelli too, when the WSSP was still multi-brand. Suddenly I stayed close to these people, I kept a special relationship with them. Today I have a very Kawasaki image, even if I won with Honda (and rode on Yamaha as well, even Ducati in its early days, editor’s note). Some think I won my title with Kawasaki !
MNC: You got to know her better at Ten Kate’s ?
F. F.: Yes, I dated him when he arrived, his teammate was Andrew Pitt, a good friend of mine. I remember our first meeting, it was in Australia…
MNC: Your women are Australian. It brought you closer ?
F. F.: Yes Yes. He met Tatia, an Australian who is now his wife. But my fiancee is also Australian. So we spent a whole winter together, in the same apartment in Melbourne (not far from Phillip Island, editor’s note), we both trained and that’s where we forged solid bonds.
MNC: What year was it ?
F. F.: It was winter 2011-2012. We had just spent the season with Ten Kate, he in Superbike and I in Supersport. We got along well and we decided to spend the winter together, the girls were close to their families … It started from there, since then we have been friends.
MNC: And in 2016, he asks you to work with him !
F. F.: You should know that Johnny continually questions himself, he is always looking for more performance, always wants to improve. Which is a great attitude! For the anecdote, I don’t think I told him but I think it all started from there: one day he sends me a message, around May, while I am watching a Grand Prix. They had just put a subject on Mamola, which was "spotter" for Smith I believe. I had just said to myself "ah, that could kick me". I could see myself doing that pretty well, more than a chief mechanic even though I like the mechanics. So he’s texting me, asking me what I’m doing. I answer him: "well I imagine like you, I am in front of the GP". Thereupon, he offers me to work for him, to be this "second eye". I didn’t accept right away, because I wasn’t sure I could bring him much. He had largely dominated in 2015, continued to win in 2016 … But he found that it was getting harder, he wanted to put all the odds in his side.
MNC: When did you start ?
F. F.: It was in Donington Park, a circuit where Sykes is a "warrior" (almost unbeatable warrior). There, I immediately detect what is wrong in the sector where it took every year. He lost nearly three tenths, on the fastest time, one and a half or two on a regular basis, which is huge! I told him "there, the speed did not go to the right place, here is the trajectory, up there your way of cutting the gas …".
MNC: You analyzed everything, dissected everything…
F. F.: Yes that’s it. I describe everything to him, he listens to me, but to put everything into action, he tells me that it will not be easy! But the next day he was delighted. What also played a part is that I get along really well with Riba (Rea’s chief mechanic since his arrival at Kawasaki, Editor’s note), we were a teammate for three seasons: at Ten Kate in 2001, at Kawa in 2003 and 2007.
MNC: There were a lot of coincidences in the end….
F. F.: Yes it’s sure. When Johnny told Riba about his project, he wasn’t sure. Then he knew it was me and validated because he knew my way of working, we were close. So indeed, everything fell into place. So everything went well the first time around and we kept going, apart from a few dates that overlapped with Endurance in 2016. Since then, I’ve been following him everywhere..
What does Fabien Foret say? Jonathan Rea fans go wild…
MNC: I suggest that you talk about your job and Johnny via a little game that Jonathan himself launched on Facebook. He posted a picture of you, Pere Riba and him in the box, asking his fans what you could say. These are the answers that MNC has retained, as avenues for reflection…
"Be faster than the others (encu …)"
MNC: Do you use the Couet method? You remind him that he is the best, that he must fight and win, improve…
F. F.: Yes, that is clearly part of my strategy. The psychological, in this sport as in all sports, is decisive. I keep telling him that he’s the best, that he’s going to kill them, that he’s the most consistent … I also take the others down, even exaggerating a little to be honest. If we talk about regularity for example, I remind him that Chaz makes a drop of water (leaves the trajectory, Editor’s note) every three laps, that he is hanged.
MNC: You can’t lie to him either. It is sometimes slower than others…
F. F.: You have to stay consistent when you have this approach. He still remains beautiful and strong, but sometimes it is a little less so, and the others are less bad than usual. He knows I’m there to motivate, but he’s got his feet on the ground, like me, and knows very well on certain weekends that he can’t win like that. But I think I know him, I know when to talk to him, when to shut up.
MNC: What do you observe at the edge of the track. His piloting, that of others ?
F. F.: All. I look at Johnny’s position on the bike, minus everyone else’s. But I scrutinize all the trajectories, the way to take the brakes or hold them, the gear changes, the use of the track, the attitude of the rider on the bike. I compare a lot, especially with his teammate…
MNC: … and the riders who have similar motorcycles. Maybe not the Ducati…
F. F.: Yes, it’s easier on a comparable motorcycle. Ducatis have their own strengths, their drawbacks, their riders can try things that others cannot, and vice versa. After that there are some similarities. Anyway, I don’t just watch Johnny.
MNC: What kind of comments do you make to help JR win? ?
F. F.: Technical level, it can be "change your speed 5 or 10 meters earlier", "use a meter less track here", "accelerate a little less aggressively here" … These are small details like that , never big corrections, you can imagine. It has happened to me that I have hardly anything to say. There were circuits where, from the Friday after FP1, it was very brief. That said, there are other circuits where you could think that everything was fine because he dominated from FP1, when there was precisely more to complain about..
MNC: Sometimes you push him around ?
F. F.: I’ve told him he had shit before. I talk to him like that, he’s waiting. Like in Qatar in 2016 where he came back from the race 2nd behind Chaz and thinks he had a good race. He says "What do you think?, With a small smile. He asks me, I answer him!" I think you did some shit. You did not apply the strategy we talked about at all, in terms of driving you fell back into the faults that we had corrected … If you had done what we said, you would have won ". There he says nothing, it’s his character, I don’t know what he thinks, if I’m an idiot or what, I leave him in his own juice … And the next day, he wins. reason to sting him a little. We don’t talk about it again, no need to know who was right or wrong. What matters is that the duo works.
MNC: It should not be easy to advance the best !
F. F.: It’s funny because ‘the other time, I was on the track with Neil Hodgson. And he says to me: "it’s easy to work with the best! Nah I’m kidding, I know very well that it’s not easy at all". And it’s true, go work with a guy who wins everything: "well it’s all good, let’s go have ice cream!" It happens. Sometimes I have nothing to say. My mission, when I arrived as a spotter, was to win a tenth. Sometimes it’s two, sometimes it’s zero, sometimes it’s something else.
MNC: And how is the implementation going? It should not be easy for him to change his actions.
F. F.: He does, yes. He rarely disagrees with me. When I give him my comments, he listens and doesn’t say anything. Sometimes he later recognizes that I was right. But at the moment, I have no idea how he is interpreted, how he takes the remark or if he will take it into account. This afternoon I advised him to stabilize the bike on the brakes, in a way. It wasn’t his way, he didn’t adopt, but he tried anyway.
"Can I try your motorbike?"
MNC: Did you ride on his motorcycle ?
F. F.: No. I could in a pinch, during winter testing. If I asked them as a little gift, I think he would let me do a few tricks. If I am offered, I wouldn’t say no of course. But it’s not really necessary.
MNC: It wouldn’t be of interest to you or him ?
F. F.: Not much of interest to me. And no interest in my job because I wouldn’t be able to push like he does, I’m not in it anymore. I know what to expect. The strengths of the bike and the … I know, what.
MNC: Your great experience on the Kawa endurance is no longer useful. They are not the same machines.
F. F.: No. What is good is having ridden with a 1000. Because most of my career has been spent on 600s. I did three quarters of the 2006 Superbike season with Alstare, I rode with some Superbikes. But above all I have experience of racing, this championship, Pirelli … I know all his opponents, like Chaz Davies with whom I would run in 600, I know his strengths and weaknesses, they do not have not changed.
"I made you little sandwiches for tea"
MNC: You are taking care of JR. How do you divide the task into the team, especially with Kev ?
F. F.: Kev drives the motorhome, all over Europe. He also manages Johnny’s gear, and his sets, even though another team member reminds him of them as well. For my part, I take care of the performance. The physical, even if I’m not his coach, I intervene, we discuss, I ask him what he did this week, etc. Nutrition a little, because it is a good living and pilots must watch their weight. And overseas logistics, as I have traveled a lot, I know how to manage travel with the team’s agency.
"We are in the harbor of beer!"
MNC: JR’s lifestyle is comparable to that of athletes and champions in other disciplines ?
F. F.: Yes, it is being followed very closely. He takes blood tests regularly, his weight is checked every day of competition, before and after getting on the bike to find out how much water he loses…
MNC: Did you have the same approach 15 years ago ?
F. F.: No, it was much less pointed, less precise. In 600 I remember, you had to be light. So at the time I was at my healthy weight. If I exceeded it, I ate nothing for a day! Which is bullshit but hey, it was like that.
"Will you bring me some Tayto next time?"
MNC: This is a brand of chips from Northern Ireland, a very small country that loves mecha sports. He is proud of it !
F. F.: Yes, he is truly a patriot. Currently in Northern Ireland, apart from two golfers, there are not many known sportsmen. He is therefore proud to represent his country around the world.
MNC: He is exiled to the Isle of Man. His compatriots do not hold it against him ?
F. F.: It just changed, he resides in Northern Ireland again. He was indeed in the Isle of Man before, but he came back for the children, the school, a lot of reasons. It was too complicated to live on this rock, especially in terms of travel: you always had to go through London, often staying overnight, it was a real hassle in terms of timing..
"Apparently you need more charisma to bring fans back to the WSBK"
MNC: Based on our MNC stats and the number of Facebook fans, WSBK is 10 times less popular than MotoGP. Should we worry, be satisfied, intervene ?
F. F.: Should we be worried about Rea’s charisma (laughs). First, having talked a little bit about it with Daniel (Carrera, executive director of the championship, Editor’s note), I think the hot words were amplified a bit. Then Johnny has a personality maybe more expressive than a Latin, but he is as he is.
MNC: Besides that he is sometimes endearing, when he posts pictures of his cross country training with his little guys !
F. F.: He is very family. Maybe he doesn’t give up as easily as others, I don’t know. Charisma then … The real question, the concern, is more to know what needs to be done to save the championship, rather than what Rea should do.
"Gregorio Lavilla has just informed me that you will have to start all races from the main street of Ballyclare"
MNC: What do you think of the inverted grid in the second round ?
F. F.: Look, I’m not a fan of this originally. But I admit that sometimes it makes the race a little more interesting, because sometimes it leads to battles until the end. Of course, Rea does not escape as easily as in the first run. Now does that change the result. No. Are there more battles and spectacle? Certainly yes. Does that make pilots take more risks? Yes too. So far it has always gone well…
MNC: To keep or not for next year ?
F. F.: Bah … Yeah, keep it, because for sports it’s always better to see a guy (Jonathan, editor’s note!) Who doubles, catches up with a Chaz or a fast guy and fights with him until the end. I’m not a fan in principle, but I have to admit it’s nicer to watch. Afterwards we can’t cut off the legs of a guy who wins.
MNC: The organizers are intervening precisely on the rules, in order to balance the forces involved. How to do ?
F. F.: I’ll tell you something, it’s a shame Rea is not in MotoGP
MNC: Ah no, you grill the end of the interview !
F. F.: Yes, I’m going a bit fast! It’s not that the level of the WSBK is not good, but the elite of motorcycle speed, the best of the best, is MotoGP. He should be there. Because in my opinion, if you put Rea on the Yamaha, with his technical team and his entourage, he wins. Ditto on the Ducati. With the teams in place also perhaps, I do not know. What I know is that his team is more than a chief mechanic, a "data" manager, etc. It’s a family, really. He transcended the people who worked for him. And he is very grateful: at the end of each year, he rents a house for all of us in Spain, he even brings in a chef. We are united. The other pilots don’t necessarily do that, are they willing to give as much? In the end, therefore, it may not be a problem of the WSBK championship or the driver in particular. Rea should fight with Rossi and the others…
"I think we should let someone else win a race"
F. F .: (Laughs) No.
MNC: Do you think Rea is going to beat his record of 16 wins in one season (2017) ?
F. F.: I’m sure he will match it. Beat him it’s gonna be hot because he’s 12
(before Magny-Cours, Editor’s note) and there are only six races left. In Qatar especially, we know that the Ducati is doing well, and Chaz will drive free. This weekend, he risks winning both races. In Argentina, as nobody knows the circuit and Rea is a guy who has an extraordinary learning speed and put into action, these opponents have to worry. So it could be four rounds, 16 wins. So there remains Qatar, where the maximum speed restrictions on the Kawasaki are more disabling on this type of circuit..
MNC: This domination is hard for the adversaries. Do you think of them sometimes? Apparently no, if you can push them deeper you won’t deprive yourself !
F. F.: Complete! Exactly.
MNC: But for JR, it must also be hard to keep motivation and focus. How is it ?
F. F.: His motivation … his motivation is the fear of not winning anymore.
MNC: Did he tell you? He thinks about it, it’s an obsession ?
F. F.: Yes he told me: "I dread the day when I will no longer win". He knows it will happen, sooner or later a guy will arrive with the right package and the right bike. So he is doing everything to delay that moment. You know when you’ve tasted the win…
MNC: uh no, never tasted !
F. F.: (smile) well you can’t finish second, you’re jaded.
"When exactly did you land on our planet?"
MNC: JR is not an alien.
F. F.: I told him again this morning: "You really need to consult …". Listen carefully: first lap in the morning, he slams a 1 ‘38.1. This means that with his first quick lap, he would have finished 3rd in the session, and still 8th in FP2. He shows up this morning, shit in his eyes, and he posts a 1 ‘38.1 here … Anything. We’re kidding, for a while we even made bets on his first time in the team. But I asked that we stop, it might turn badly. In short, what he does on the bike is not given to everyone…
MNC: Exactly. Is Rea a pure talent, a hard worker, both ?
F. F.: Basically, he’s pure talent. But he works, he is intelligent, he knows how to question himself. Like everyone else, he sometimes doubts. But he made sure that a guy "Fabien, editor’s note!) Removes those doubts from him. The human rest. But he ticks a lot of boxes .
MNC: At one time, however, it was not very lucky. On the Honda, perhaps to make up for the bike’s deficit, he was often injured. He already had the level of a world champion according to you ?
F. F.: I think he had to take more risks riding the Fireblade. He also had less experience. Did he already have his current level? We can observe what is happening today: the Honda is not, does not win, does not reach the podium or even the Top 5.
MNC: Some observers – comments on MNC – consider that Rea was not doing much on the Honda and won everything on the Kawasaki. Understood, it is thanks to his motorcycle that he wins.
F. F.: I do not agree at all. Guys who think Rea didn’t do anything on the Honda forget that he won races, stood on podiums, was consistently in the Top 5. What are the CBRs doing today? Next to nothing ? Leon Camier is a good driver, but he too got injured…
MNC: With the right bike, he could have contested their titles at Biaggi, Checa, Sykes or Guintoli ?
F. F.: Yes. With the right bike, and the right entourage too, he would have won the title a long time ago. We can’t do history again, but I’m sure he would have won.
"Why put on your jumpsuit, you have already won the championship"
MNC: Some accuse JR and Kawa of killing the suspense in WSBK, even the championship itself. How does he feel ?
F. F.: He doesn’t see it like that. He comes every weekend with the aim of winning races. My role, his attitude, everything is projected towards this goal. But it’s not that easy. After FP2 this midday for example, when Tom got more than closer to him, he started to tell me "Damn, tomorrow we’re going to do 2". I reassured him. What he read on the timesheet had to be interpreted, what I had seen on the track, he had not yet grasped. It stung him a bit and in FP3, he did a race simulation with 12 laps in 1 ‘37.3 or 4, the others are worried … No need to be an expert to analyze the sheet of time. You wonder, however, if he wasn’t cutting a bend somewhere. All that to say that it is not that simple, he does not arrive on a circuit telling himself that he will still pocket 50 points.
"Will you send Tom a card for Christmas?"
MNC: What is the relationship between JR and Tom ?
F. F.: You know, they both went to each other’s wedding. But their job, the competition caused tensions to arise. It’s normal between two champions, one has gained the upper hand over the other … It’s not easy for Tom who has other personal concerns. It’s complicated, but it’s still healthy enough.
MNC: How to maintain a healthy rivalry between two great drivers ?
F. F.: We have to maintain mutual respect. And the easiest then is that there is no relationship between the two. They are not here to be the best friends in the world. They are friends at the base, they are less so at the moment, maybe they will be again one day? This is a bit like what happened to me with Charpentier: there was a terrible cold, and today we are like ass and shirt. Between Johnny and Tom right now, there’s just no relationship, but it’s not bad.
MNC: The mood will be more relaxed with Haslam next year ?
F. F.: Perhaps. They are good friends, and Haslam may be less delusional too. But beware, he’s a competitor. I think the situation will be simpler: Haslam did not win a championship, Rea is going to have four..
MNC: Even if Leon manages to beat him ?
F. F.: In this case of course, there will be less information exchange between the two. But I feel the rivalry will be less important.
MNC: There is Toprak Razgatlioglu who also arrives behind. Why didn’t he join the official team
F. F.: Yes, logic would dictate that Toprak arrives at KRT in 2020. Today, you take the list of guys who ride well in Superbikes, Toprak stands out. In addition he is already on Kawa. To be completely frank with you, I think he should be with us next year, in the official team with a top team, even if Puccetti is already very professional. Some people think Toprak is a bit too cool, I don’t think so. It’ll be Leon instead, so much the better, we’ll go play golf together !
"If we start a petition, maybe Kawa will make you a MotoGP"
MNC: Isn’t Honda the most at fault in history ?
F. F.: We never really talked about it together, I can only give you my opinion. I think that if Johnny stayed at Honda for so long, knowing that he didn’t have the bike to be WSBK champion, it was because he was waiting for his transfer to MotoGP, in thanks for his loyal service. He left when he felt it wouldn’t turn out like that. Is this a mistake on Honda’s part, I think. But it’s easy to say it today.
JR had yet made two freelance MotoGP in 2012: 8th in Misano and 7th in Aragon. He then deserved a handlebar ?
F. F.: But it was complicated, we told him that he has no right to fall. I actually think he deserved his place in the premier class.
MNC: Kawasaki and Rea in GP, that would be interesting, no ?
F. F.: Yes of course. But it does not happen like that. I think Kawasaki is very happy to dominate here, happy that it costs them what it costs them compared to MotoGP … They have guaranteed results here. They would be able to have them in GP too, as Suzuki is doing right now. Besides, the Kawa proto at the end (renamed Hayate, piloted by Melandri, Editor’s note) was not so bad.
MNC: It’s an inconceivable project ?
F. F.: The bosses who press the buttons up there have their own arguments, their constraints … From our point of view we find that a shame that’s for sure. Johnny had a proposal for MotoGP, but it’s not on a bike capable of playing in front: Top 10 on a regular basis, a little better if there is waste. I think he can do a lot better too. He’s a guy who never really got beaten by Crutchlow. At least he has his speed. But Cal was on the podium, he even managed to win races. But it did not happen. And it won’t happen anymore.
MNC: The risk for Kawasaki is that Rea will go to another manufacturer. Not before 2021 that said…
F. F.: As you say, he signed for two years. He feels good there, he is certainly happy with the financial conditions and the rest. But this is the race. Today, Rea is a god, but tomorrow … well, he will remain a god given his four titles, or more after, all his records and statistics.
MNC: However, one day, he does not refrain from changing employers ?
F. F.: Not at all. It’s not green or nothing. He’s a competitor, he likes challenges. He would see himself winning in blue, in red, why not.
MNC: You would stay with him ?
F. F.: Yes. I think he sees himself ending up with me by his side elsewhere. I’m happy to do my best for him today. It works well. One day he might want to change his bike or coach. It will not prevent us from going for a drink together, from our bike rides and the rest !
MNC: That will be the last word. Thank you Fabien for answering all our questions !
F. F.: Thanks to you.
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