Ducati 1299 Panigale S and Ducati 1199 S in comparison test

Ducati 1299 Panigale S and Ducati 1199 S in comparison test
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Ducati 1299 Panigale S and Ducati 1199 S in comparison test

Ducati 1299 Panigale S and Ducati 1199 S in comparison test

Ducati 1299 Panigale S and Ducati 1199 S in comparison test

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The two sisters only look like identical twins at first glance …

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The wheelbase (1437 mm), seat height (830 mm) and tank capacity (17 + 2 liters) have remained the same, but the 1299 Panigale S has lost one kilo (194 kg compared to 195 kg).

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It also generates a higher output (205 PS compared to 195 PS) and greater torque (145 Nm compared to 132 Nm).

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As the name suggests, the 1299 has a slightly larger displacement: 1285 cm³ compared to 1198 cm³ for the 1199.

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Subtle differences: the manifold diameter increased from 54 to 60 millimeters, the seat cushion was more comfortably upholstered in 2015.

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Italian icon: this design set standards. With a fully supporting engine in a monocoque chassis, beguiling shapes.

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We show further differences in the following pictures.

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The 1299 has shorter, openwork mirror arms. In addition, a two centimeter higher pane and a slightly wider front.

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For example, pay attention to the mirror booms …

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… However, if you look closely, you can see differences.

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Strut
There are no visible differences on the elegant Öhlins TTX; the nib is identical.

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But the electronically regulated damper valves respond more finely.

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Exhaust
Compared to the 1199, the bezels of the 1299 work …

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unadorned, black color is peeling off. Their exhaust ports are bigger, the volume is not lower.

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… the 1299 is a single-seater with beautiful, organic shapes.

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Rear
Not directly comparable: While the Biposto rear of the 1199 looks rather ordinary …

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Command center
There are electronic damper valves here and there, …

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… semi-active only with the 1299 S. Adjustment of the spring base mechanically.

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cockpit
More functions – the TFT display has more space: for the DWC wheelie control and the electronically regulated steering damper, for example.

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Steering damper
While the regulation was previously done manually, …

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Is the new electronically controlled and regulates either automatically or manually in 19 adjustable levels.

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front
On the 1299, the “side” air inlet (left) grew next to the Ram Air nostrils.

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The pure LED headlights of the S version shine brightly.

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Automatic gearshift / footrests
The 1299 even allows downshifting without using the clutch and offers better grip, milled driver footrests.

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What can the new one do better??

The strongest and lightest series production two-cylinder of all time is withdrawn: The Ducati 1199 Panigale hands over the reins to its successor, the Ducati 1299 Panigale. What can the new one do better? This is clarified in a comparison test of the two expensive, sensual S versions.

A thunderstorm is in the air, it is rumbling tremendously. On the ground, not in the sky. Two beguiling motorbikes arrive diabolically (g) rolls. The duo Infernale turns with verve into the next bend, disappears behind the next rock. Two fiery red wedges on wheels, a beautiful Ducati Panigale, the world’s strongest series V2 and its successor, the D.ucati 1299 Panigale S follows the Ducati 1199 Panigale S..

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Ducati 1299 Panigale S and Ducati 1199 S in comparison test

Ducati 1299 Panigale S and Ducati 1199 Panigale S in comparison test
What can the new one do better??

1299 Panigale S are the largest series pistons in the motorcycle world, as wide as soup cups. Just much flatter. They hammer a finely balanced crankshaft using modified connecting rods. Slightly increased compression, a hefty 12.6 instead of 12.5 to one, that creates a lot of pressure in the boiler.

1299 Panigale S more comfortable on bad roads

Also modified: reinforced cylinder heads, valve and clutch covers and the funnel-shaped oil sump housing – all made of magnesium. There is also new software, also for extensive assistance systems: new ABS with cornering function and wheelie control (DWC), for example. At the start is the noble S version of the Ducati 1299 Panigale. It has light forged wheels from Marchesini, LED headlights and carbon front fenders. Above all, like the Ducati 1199 Panigale S, it has electronically regulated Öhlins instead of conventional Sachs suspension elements. On the Ducati 1299 Panigale S, even the steering damper is electronically controlled by Öhlins.

The chassis of the Ducati 1299 Panigale S has semi-active damping Öhlins Smart EC. It reacts automatically and “event-based” to impulses. Ridged Spanish country roads offer plenty of this. The new control unit from Bosch calculates three axes: lateral, longitudinal and vertical acceleration, roll and yaw rate. There are five presets to choose from, from as soft as possible to as hard as possible. If you prefer to intervene yourself: the rebound and compression stages of the NIX30 upside-down fork and the TTX strut on the left can be set digitally and separately on a scale from 0 to 31, as with the Ducati 1199 Panigale S. The basic setting of the 1199 S was 18. It tortures its driver on bumpy roads and is too tight. So everything set to twelve. Nevertheless, especially the shock absorber of the Ducati 1299 Panigale S responds more finely electronically, fishes out more, is more comfortable. So more sociable, more suitable for everyday use on bad country roads, the new one.

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All assistance systems can also be freely adjusted

Both Ducati Panigale combine three driving modes each. Race and sport offer full power. They differ in the throttle response and the basic settings of “engine brake” (drag torque, EBC), traction control DTC, wheelie control DWC and ABS. Third is the deliberately defensive rain mode, which is capped to 120 hp. But even in it the Ducati 1299 Panigale S delivers up to 7000 tours more power than the 1199 in the two open modes! Any questions?

All assistance systems can also be freely adjusted, everything can be coupled with everything. Below 3000 rpm, the V-Zwos chop rather unwillingly, don’t run smoothly, but rather jerkily. You want speed. Tempo 30 zones in second gear or city streets with 50 km / h are anathema to these engines. Especially since there is a cruel load on the wrists. No, these machines need space, an outlet and a fluid flow. You want to run. Overall gear ratio and speed range of both Ducati sisters are identical. But the new one pulls through much better: from 60 to 140 km / h in a splendid 6.0 seconds instead of 7.5 seconds for the 1199. More midrange power!

Here the “old” Panigale shows a weakness: it starts really brutal from 6500 rpm, then kicks full in the stomach with a rapid increase in torque. Not quite typical of the two-cylinder and not very confident for a 1.2-liter engine. The 1299 tears in a more fiery manner, but it is much easier to accelerate. On the other hand, the 1199 jumps on the accelerator quite harshly from overrun, even in the medium sport mode. Noticeable: Between 5000 and 7000 tours, the 1299 sometimes responds with a delay to gas commands. For example when accelerating out of curves. Feels like the engine stops running for a moment. Typical peculiarity or electronics freak? That still has to be shown.

From 0 to 200 km / h in 7.5 or 7.6 seconds

The enlarged V2 starts warm often only hesitantly and sparkling, and regrets for several seconds. Leaner vote? After all, it consumes a little less gasoline with more power. Noticeable: The Ducati 1299 Panigale S has a much tighter, stiffer clutch. Reinforced clutch springs require an iron fist when pulling on their hand lever. It doesn’t matter in the city, it’s hardly a problem on country roads: The new red racing iron has a gearshift assistant that also saves the clutch when downshifting (blipper function). Is of great help in the heat of the moment, saves energy.

The larger engine runs a bit smoother, the old one vibrates a bit harder. Both hot spurs accelerate rapidly from standstill to 200 in 7.5 or 7.6 seconds! The double fleet. No advantage for the Ducati 1299 Panigale S? Well, real 6 hp more peak power is only three percent. Especially since real top drivers like MOTORRAD tester Karsten Schwers completely switch off the DTC traction control and the DWC wheelie control for acceleration orgies. Then it’s a ride on the knife edge, between spinning rear and lifting front wheel.

Emergency braking is tricky with the 1299 S.

Tricky are emergency braking with the Ducati 1299 Panigale S. The new, around one kilogram lighter Bosch ABS 9.1 controls so aggressively along the blocking limit that at the end of an emergency braking the rear wheel comes up abruptly and almost uncontrollably. Without being provoked. This is not an improvement. Because the Ducati 1199 Panigale S stays on the ground with almost identical braking values. Otherwise, the Brembo brakes are a poem. The M 50 monoblocks bite the 330 mm panes incredibly powerfully and transparently. The brake pressure can be modulated in the system with great sensitivity and yet firm to the bite.

Advantage of the Ducati 1299 Panigale S: Your brake feels even crisper thanks to less free travel in the lever. The cornering ABS of ABS levels two and three allows you to anchor safely to a standstill even on steep slopes. In stage one (race mode!) This function is inactive, as is ABS on the rear wheel.

From the country road to the racetrack

We are now on the magnificent, 3.74 kilometer long Alcarràs racetrack. Because the red divas, who are more demanding on country roads, are at home on circuits, only here in their element. If you want to be on the safe side, you can activate cornering and rear wheel ABS even in race mode.

Both Panigale roll on the same Pirelli Supercorsa SP with a wide 200 mm rear sill in a modern 55 mm cross-section. Nevertheless, the new Ducati 1299 Panigale S drives more direct, more manageable, turns easier and more homogeneously. This motorcycle doesn’t just go around corners. It falls on them! In contrast, the Ducati 1199 Panigale S pushes more outward at the exit of the curve. You have to touch them harder. That will soon need more strength: you can feel 20-minute turns. With the 1299 you are quicker, more relaxed and more relaxed. A feather-light 194 kilograms is one less than the 1199. But be careful: Our 1299 is a monoposto, so it has neither pillion pegs nor a second seat “cushion”.

Ducati 1299 Panigale S more playful and precise

The well-made changes to the chassis appear effective. The caster is four millimeters shorter, the pivot point is lower by the same amount, and the steering head is 66 degrees half a degree steeper. Small causes, big effects. The Ducati 1299 Panigale S drives even more playfully and precisely. It circles the eternally long Omega as if lasered, arrows precisely through the chicane, remains extremely stable in all corners. And delivers fantastic feedback, offers total front wheel control thanks to the wide flared handlebars, and conveys a lot of confidence even on immense lean angles. Feeling and trust are right. The stability when braking hard is also great.

Everything also applies to the Ducati 1199 Panigale S. However, it is less wedged with the handlebars on the undulating start-finish straight. Hm, maybe readjust the steering damper and wheelie control of the Ducati 1299 Panigale S. On the race you fuse with these Italians, become one with them. You are the Ducati! And the Duc becomes part of you. It’s a tremendous physicality. The ergonomics are perfect for racetracks, and the driver is super integrated. A great feeling of contact with the whole body. All is well! Gasoline burns in our hearts. This is a great, exhilarating experience. Emotionally and with lap times. The assistance systems work extremely unobtrusively, the ABS regulates late, the traction control sensitively.

Comparison tests in PS and MOTORCYCLE

When the electronically operated oval throttle valve is on draft, the second injection nozzles above each cylinder are switched on and the beautifully eye-catching shift light in bright red warns of the next gear step (without the clutch, of course) the Ducati 1299 Panigale S goes like the devil. Breathtaking. Well thought out down to the last detail: The “Track” reading mode of the TFT display shows lap times and lean angles; DTC, DWC and EBC can be varied in no time with the new +/- button.

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The fact is: the Ducati 1299 Panigale S is a great bike. But not a superbike – it goes beyond the limits of the World Cup regulations. That is why the Panigale R retains 1198 cm3 as a homologation model.

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The queen is dead. Long live the queen!

And our Ducati 1299 Panigale S sets the bar significantly higher than the 1199. But where do you get a good 25,500 euros? In terms of technical progress, an additional charge of 800 euros on the 1199 S is moderate. Anyone who has experienced the blessings of the S version’s semi-active chassis may no longer want a standard 1299 Panigale. It saves a full five thousand at 20,500 euros. Either way, the two-cylinder athletes have a new regent. The queen is dead, long live the queen!

Brake measurements


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The new Bosch ABS gets the best out of the Brembo monoblocks.

Brake measurement from 100 km / h (ABS level 2 / sport):

Ducati 1199 Panigale S: 40.8 m

Ducati 1299 Panigale S: 40.4 m

Less is more! This certainly applies to braking distances. If the 1299 is already stationary, the 1199 is still traveling at 9.9 km / h.

The new Bosch ABS 9.1 controls more finely and gets the best out of the Brembo monoblocks. However, in contrast to the 1199, the rear wheel of the Ducati 1299 Panigale S sometimes rises unpleasantly abruptly.

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Ducati 1299 Panigale S and Ducati 1199 S in comparison test

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Technical data: 1199/1299


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Sometimes more, sometimes less big differences: In addition to all the technical details, the driving experience also counts in the end.

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